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		<title>By: Deane</title>
		<link>http://www.educationforum.lk/2007/06/real-issue-is-pass-rate-at-grade-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3486</link>
		<dc:creator>Deane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peterite :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peterite <img src='http://www.educationforum.lk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JM Bardo</title>
		<link>http://www.educationforum.lk/2007/06/real-issue-is-pass-rate-at-grade-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3484</link>
		<dc:creator>JM Bardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed on all counts matchang. Btw aren&#039;t you a Thomian.

Have a look at this.

http://www.dailynews.lk/2005/02/15/fea10.html

Isn&#039;t Devi Balika a rather non-elitist joint? All hope is not lost for free education.

Has anyone considered the socioeconomic aspect? I come from a fairly academic middle class background, and I&#039;ve always had to prove myself in school. When I got my OLevel results, my mom wasn&#039;t happy because I got a C for Maths, although I had As for all other subjects. Compare that with my classmates C, who was so rich he had his own Merc at 15, and S, whose mother was a hooker in Sweden while his dad worked in a service station in Borella. Both of them failed OLevels. Their parents did not give a flyf about their education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on all counts matchang. Btw aren&#8217;t you a Thomian.</p>
<p>Have a look at this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailynews.lk/2005/02/15/fea10.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailynews.lk/2005/02/15/fea10.html</a></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t Devi Balika a rather non-elitist joint? All hope is not lost for free education.</p>
<p>Has anyone considered the socioeconomic aspect? I come from a fairly academic middle class background, and I&#8217;ve always had to prove myself in school. When I got my OLevel results, my mom wasn&#8217;t happy because I got a C for Maths, although I had As for all other subjects. Compare that with my classmates C, who was so rich he had his own Merc at 15, and S, whose mother was a hooker in Sweden while his dad worked in a service station in Borella. Both of them failed OLevels. Their parents did not give a flyf about their education.</p>
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		<title>By: Deane</title>
		<link>http://www.educationforum.lk/2007/06/real-issue-is-pass-rate-at-grade-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3472</link>
		<dc:creator>Deane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comparison between the so called National Schools (Royal,Visakha) isn&#039;t terribly Fair Mal, since they get in the best people from the grade 5 Scholarship, and also a good influx from those who Do O/Ls well for their A/L sections. 

So you cant really compare the number of people who get 8As and say they perform better. in fact, if you compare the pass rate of some of these i believe it&#039;s St.Bridget&#039;s who had the best stats until recently. (about 3 years ago.. donno now)

The school as an &#039;education institution&#039; particularly in an urban setting is failing, you don&#039;t go to school to learn, you got there for other things, sports, brand, extra-co. the package. most of the learning happens in tuition classes, especially for the &#039;main subjects&#039;. in A/Ls this is almost exclusively the case, even in some (if not most) of the &#039;international schools&#039;.

continual assessment, at least when i was in school, was just a redundant exercise. teachers don&#039;t bother, you  get red,and green dots (the marking criteria) on quite literally, &#039;face value&#039;. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison between the so called National Schools (Royal,Visakha) isn&#8217;t terribly Fair Mal, since they get in the best people from the grade 5 Scholarship, and also a good influx from those who Do O/Ls well for their A/L sections. </p>
<p>So you cant really compare the number of people who get 8As and say they perform better. in fact, if you compare the pass rate of some of these i believe it&#8217;s St.Bridget&#8217;s who had the best stats until recently. (about 3 years ago.. donno now)</p>
<p>The school as an &#8216;education institution&#8217; particularly in an urban setting is failing, you don&#8217;t go to school to learn, you got there for other things, sports, brand, extra-co. the package. most of the learning happens in tuition classes, especially for the &#8216;main subjects&#8217;. in A/Ls this is almost exclusively the case, even in some (if not most) of the &#8216;international schools&#8217;.</p>
<p>continual assessment, at least when i was in school, was just a redundant exercise. teachers don&#8217;t bother, you  get red,and green dots (the marking criteria) on quite literally, &#8216;face value&#8217;. <img src='http://www.educationforum.lk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JM Bardo</title>
		<link>http://www.educationforum.lk/2007/06/real-issue-is-pass-rate-at-grade-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3466</link>
		<dc:creator>JM Bardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rajitha:

a. Possibly in the 80s. Dr Ananda Tissa de Alwis?

b. Yes. Private schools tend to perform better than your average govt school, but perhaps not as well as national schools (eg: Royal, Ananda, Visakha etc).

c. I think govt unis have continual assessments. It&#039;s the same for local A-Levels. Btw I did Cambridge A-Levels and I only had to sit one exam (I skipped AS). No assignments or anything.

IELTS is not reliable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rajitha:</p>
<p>a. Possibly in the 80s. Dr Ananda Tissa de Alwis?</p>
<p>b. Yes. Private schools tend to perform better than your average govt school, but perhaps not as well as national schools (eg: Royal, Ananda, Visakha etc).</p>
<p>c. I think govt unis have continual assessments. It&#8217;s the same for local A-Levels. Btw I did Cambridge A-Levels and I only had to sit one exam (I skipped AS). No assignments or anything.</p>
<p>IELTS is not reliable.</p>
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		<title>By: Coordinator</title>
		<link>http://www.educationforum.lk/2007/06/real-issue-is-pass-rate-at-grade-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3435</link>
		<dc:creator>Coordinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) All schools I am sure are expected to do year-end assessments but the the standards would vary significantly. From what I can gather from the Internet there has not been a national assessment of basic competencies for children leaving school at Grade 9. A UNESCO survey of competencies after Grade 4 is shows that 98% may be completing primary school but 40% of so may not have achieved basic competenciesin 1998.
Could not find newer data.

            1994   1998
Literacy      62     61
Numeracy     45     51
Life Skills  27     55

(2) The assessments in international schools too would vary but rates should be better overall, one would think.
(3) No, universities now have continuous assessments, but as we know anecdotally, university students still lack basic competencies.There was a pilot to do English competency using IELTS scale. Whether they&#039;ll have funds to do that full scale, I doubt. Will post the info I have on the IELTS pilot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) All schools I am sure are expected to do year-end assessments but the the standards would vary significantly. From what I can gather from the Internet there has not been a national assessment of basic competencies for children leaving school at Grade 9. A UNESCO survey of competencies after Grade 4 is shows that 98% may be completing primary school but 40% of so may not have achieved basic competenciesin 1998.<br />
Could not find newer data.</p>
<p>            1994   1998<br />
Literacy      62     61<br />
Numeracy     45     51<br />
Life Skills  27     55</p>
<p>(2) The assessments in international schools too would vary but rates should be better overall, one would think.<br />
(3) No, universities now have continuous assessments, but as we know anecdotally, university students still lack basic competencies.There was a pilot to do English competency using IELTS scale. Whether they&#8217;ll have funds to do that full scale, I doubt. Will post the info I have on the IELTS pilot.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajitha</title>
		<link>http://www.educationforum.lk/2007/06/real-issue-is-pass-rate-at-grade-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3433</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajitha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the statistics, which are not that important, I agree with the argument the writer tries to build.

Few questions, though.

(a) When and who abandoned the system of passing/failing at each grade? 
(b) Do they have such a system at international schools / private schools or just like govt. schools they to promote students to next grade irrespective of their performance?
(c) Do local universities too follow such systems and decide only on the results of the final exam? (I know they don’t do so in Medicine and Engineering, but what about the other subjects?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the statistics, which are not that important, I agree with the argument the writer tries to build.</p>
<p>Few questions, though.</p>
<p>(a) When and who abandoned the system of passing/failing at each grade?<br />
(b) Do they have such a system at international schools / private schools or just like govt. schools they to promote students to next grade irrespective of their performance?<br />
(c) Do local universities too follow such systems and decide only on the results of the final exam? (I know they don’t do so in Medicine and Engineering, but what about the other subjects?)</p>
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		<title>By: appuhami</title>
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		<dc:creator>appuhami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Jm No. otherwise how you pass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Jm No. otherwise how you pass?</p>
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		<title>By: JM Bardo</title>
		<link>http://www.educationforum.lk/2007/06/real-issue-is-pass-rate-at-grade-9/comment-page-1/#comment-3430</link>
		<dc:creator>JM Bardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...there is no formal assessment at Grade 9&quot;

Isn&#039;t there? How about the end-of-year examinations for Grade 9 students?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;there is no formal assessment at Grade 9&#8243;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there? How about the end-of-year examinations for Grade 9 students?</p>
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